Taps V13.2

Apparently Flickr isn’t even responding to me any more. I sent an email Friday afternoon, and again this morning. And I am getting nothing in return. Not even a response telling me they are or aren’t working on it. I love being ignored. Especially when I am a paying customer.

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“Taps” <taps7734@yahoo.com>
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casexxxxxx@support.flickr.com

Heather,

I understand that it was possible you were not working over the weekend, so I have waited to post a followup to this query.

I am still wondering when my account will be set back to safe?

Chris Patterson
Taps7734

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— On Fri, 11/14/08, Flickr Support <xxxxxx@support.flickr.com> wrote:

> Actually, we consider those to me more sexually explicit
> and they need to be flagged as “restricted”.

We apparently disagree on what is considered to be “Sexually Explicit”. But I am agreeing to abide by your definitions. I have no problem marking those as Restricted.

> With regards to changing your status, it’s not clear to
> me
> from our back and forth that you understand why filters are
> important in respecting the greater community. We’re
> happy
> to work with our members, to get them back to a
> “safe/public” status, but we need to get a sense
> that
> they’re more understanding of why it’s important.

Do not be confused. I understand perfectly why they are important. As a father of a pre-teen daughter, I am one of the first to jump on this. It just goes back to a difference in opinion. As I put it elsewhere, my personal interpretation of the guidelines follow 3 general rules of thumb:

1) If you cant see it on daytime TV, then mark it as moderated.

2) If you cant see it on Late Night premium cable, then mark it as restricted.

3) And if you cant see it in seedy porno theaters, or hiding in your closet with a web browser… then its probably illegal and you cant display it anywhere.

What I am requesting is that my newly renewed pro account be set back to safe. It was very disheartening to see that photos that had been posted as they were for over a year without complaint were suddenly deemed offensive. Especially when it is only 2 days after my account was renewed for a second year.

When all is said and done, we can debate the meaning of safe, moderated, and restricted all day. The fact that I disagree with your interpretation of those words is not under question here. The fact that I have agreed to comply with your definitions of those words is.

The images in question, as well as others have bee flagged accordingly. And will continue to be in the future. I would appreciate my account status being returned as soon as possible.

Chris Patterson
Taps7734

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“Flickr Support” <casexxxxxx@support.flickr.com>
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Chris,

“According to your definition though,
www.flickr.com/photos/taps7734/1402366597/ should only be
considered Moderated. The same with
www.flickr.com/photos/taps7734/978697341/”

Actually, we consider those to me more sexually explicit
and they need to be flagged as “restricted”.

In joining Flickr, all of our members agree to abide by our
Community Guidelines. These guidelines require that all of
our members be respectful of the community and flag their
content that may not be suitable for “safe” viewing.
Flickr is a very large community made up of many types of
members from all over the world. In crafting our Community
Guidelines, we weighed the rights of the individual vs. the
rights of the overall community and built a system that
would enable members to choose what they want to view.

We built the filters in such a way that we would not be
come the arbiters of what is and isn’t artistic. It’s meant
to ensure that members who may not want to see graphic or
sexual images don’t have to, and those members who want to
can opt in to do so.

With regards to changing your status, it’s not clear to me
from our back and forth that you understand why filters are
important in respecting the greater community. We’re happy
to work with our members, to get them back to a
“safe/public” status, but we need to get a sense that
they’re more understanding of why it’s important.

Regards,

Heather

Heather,

Now that I have changed the flags on all of my photos, how long will it take before my account is set back to safe?

Chris Patterson
Taps7734

Heather, thank you for the response. I appreciate it.

I did see that some of my photos were marked as Safe when they should have been marked as Moderated. But I couldn’t tell which ones now. According to the site, all of my photos are marked as Moderated now. So I have no idea which ones are not marked appropriately.

I do have a few debates on which ones were marked explicit. While Initially I was under the impression that the ones I marked as moderated were sufficiently categorized, your definition shows otherwise.

According to your definition though, http://www.flickr.com/photos/taps7734/1402366597/ should only be considered Moderated. The same with http://www.flickr.com/photos/taps7734/978697341/

But, I have gone over my account, and put these and others into their proper content levels.